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Posts : 2269 Join date : 07/03/2011
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Thu 31 Mar 2011, 10:15 am | |
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| | | mumuchi GLOBAL MODERATOR
Posts : 19551 Reputation : 525 Join date : 05/06/2010 Location : Dulu Tempat Lumba Kuda
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Thu 31 Mar 2011, 10:17 am | |
| pergh kena belajar macamana Libya buat Assymetrical fighting w/pun dengan kekangan No Fly Zone.... - Quote :
Gadhafi's forces adapt to airstrikes, pound rebels
Gadhafi's forces have adopted a new tactic in light of the pounding that airstrikes have given their tanks and armored vehicles, a senior U.S. intelligence official said. They've left some of those weapons behind in favor of a "gaggle" of "battle wagons": minivans, sedans and SUVs fitted with weapons, said the official, who spoke anonymously in order to discuss sensitive U.S. intelligence on the condition and capabilities of rebel and regime forces. Rebel fighters also said Gadhafi's troops were increasingly using civilian vehicles in battle. The change not only makes it harder to distinguish Gadhafi's forces from the rebels, it also requires less logistical support, the official said. | |
| | | yaminz MODERATOR
Posts : 13517 Reputation : 378 Join date : 23/04/2010 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Thu 31 Mar 2011, 10:22 am | |
| - mumuchi wrote:
- pergh kena belajar macamana Libya buat Assymetrical fighting w/pun dengan kekangan No Fly Zone....
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Gadhafi's forces adapt to airstrikes, pound rebels
Gadhafi's forces have adopted a new tactic in light of the pounding that airstrikes have given their tanks and armored vehicles, a senior U.S. intelligence official said. They've left some of those weapons behind in favor of a "gaggle" of "battle wagons": minivans, sedans and SUVs fitted with weapons, said the official, who spoke anonymously in order to discuss sensitive U.S. intelligence on the condition and capabilities of rebel and regime forces. Rebel fighters also said Gadhafi's troops were increasingly using civilian vehicles in battle. The change not only makes it harder to distinguish Gadhafi's forces from the rebels, it also requires less logistical support, the official said. Respectla ngan tentera libya nie, boleh ubah taktik almost immidately... Smlm baru jea dpt Ras Lanuf... | |
| | | mumuchi GLOBAL MODERATOR
Posts : 19551 Reputation : 525 Join date : 05/06/2010 Location : Dulu Tempat Lumba Kuda
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Thu 31 Mar 2011, 10:32 am | |
| eden rasa depa dah planning la dah minz...sejak port depa kena serang puluh tahun dulu... | |
| | | yaminz MODERATOR
Posts : 13517 Reputation : 378 Join date : 23/04/2010 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Thu 31 Mar 2011, 10:37 am | |
| - mumuchi wrote:
- eden rasa depa dah planning la dah minz...sejak port depa kena serang puluh tahun dulu...
actually org libyan nie mmg hardcoe sejak dulu lg la, ingat masa zaman penjajahan itali dulu... | |
| | | yinchet Colonel
Posts : 2648 Reputation : 368 Join date : 10/02/2011 Age : 39 Location : Petaling Jaya
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:30 am | |
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| | | marc_zman MODERATOR
Posts : 16328 Reputation : 611 Join date : 08/06/2010 Location : di atas tanah bekas hutan, paya dan ladang kelapa sawit.. tak tau laaa ntah sapa2 pernah kena tanam kat sini dulu.. kalu ada laa
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:45 am | |
| dan tertunailah hajat mereka-mereka yg ingin memporak perandakan sebuah lagi negara yg tidak sehaluan dengan mereka.. setelah sekian lama mencuba | |
| | | MMW Colonel
Posts : 2269 Reputation : 159 Join date : 07/03/2011 Age : 53 Location : Cheras
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:48 am | |
| - marc_zman wrote:
- dan tertunailah hajat mereka-mereka yg ingin memporak perandakan sebuah lagi negara yg tidak sehaluan dengan mereka.. setelah sekian lama mencuba
Negara yang majoriti rakyatnya Islam. Selepas Somalia, Afghanistan sekarang Libya. Next mungkin Yemen dan Syria. | |
| | | tempura Corporal
Posts : 55 Reputation : 10 Join date : 09/06/2011
| Subject: aduyai... Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:09 am | |
| menang sorak kampung tergadai.... yang untung mat salleh gak.. mereka boleh minyak dan musnahkan kekutan org 2 islam...
aku lihat masalah org arab ni ialah mereka ingin memerintah negara mereka dgn tempoh yg lama pastu nak turunkan pulak kuasa kepada kerabat...... apa yang mereka buat kat empayar uthmaniah dulu kena balik kat kepala mereka... | |
| | | MMW Colonel
Posts : 2269 Reputation : 159 Join date : 07/03/2011 Age : 53 Location : Cheras
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:14 am | |
| - tempura wrote:
- menang sorak kampung tergadai.... yang untung mat salleh gak.. mereka boleh minyak dan musnahkan kekutan org 2 islam...
aku lihat masalah org arab ni ialah mereka ingin memerintah negara mereka dgn tempoh yg lama pastu nak turunkan pulak kuasa kepada kerabat...... apa yang mereka buat kat empayar uthmaniah dulu kena balik kat kepala mereka... Dia orang pentingkan kabilah dan kaum. Itu yang jadi banyak negara tu. Turki, Mesir. Libya, Maghribi, Saudi, Qatar, Yemen, UAE, Iraq, Iran dsb. | |
| | | Laxamana Kehormat MyMil
Posts : 337 Reputation : 44 Join date : 31/10/2010 Age : 58 Location : Putrajaya, Malaysia
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:22 am | |
| Semua negara Arab yang bergolak (Libya, Yemen, Syria, Tunisia dll) yang dah aku pergi, berada dalam keadaan jauh mundur walaupun negara mereka mempunyai hasil alam seperti minyak. Begitu lah juga Libya... Gadhafi adalah seorang 'Firaun' zaman moden... Memang wajar Libya kembali kepada rakyat nya.... Libya tu at least 25 tahun tertinggal di belakang Malaysia... | |
| | | innocentti GLOBAL MODERATOR
Posts : 3264 Reputation : 140 Join date : 20/04/2010 Age : 40
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 15 Jun 2011, 11:27 am | |
| issue pemimpin2 arab ni dah lama dah..
kita selalu dok nampak org luar ni kejam..tapi kadang2 adik beradik kita jauh lagi kejam.. | |
| | | mumuchi GLOBAL MODERATOR
Posts : 19551 Reputation : 525 Join date : 05/06/2010 Location : Dulu Tempat Lumba Kuda
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 11:39 am | |
| hmm nampaknya ada gak faedah krisis libya ni utk palestin.. - Quote :
Libyan anti-aircraft missiles may have reached Gaza Hamas has smuggled Russian man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS) into the Gaza Strip, according to Israeli newspaper Haaretz . The presence of the weapons, thought to have been looted from Libyan military warehouses, is a concern for Israel because they curb the air force's almost unlimited freedom of movement over Gaza and could be used against civil aviation in Eilat, the newspaper claims
[first posted to http://jmr.janes.com - 01 November 2011] | |
| | | yaminz MODERATOR
Posts : 13517 Reputation : 378 Join date : 23/04/2010 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 11:45 am | |
| - mumuchi wrote:
- hmm nampaknya ada gak faedah krisis libya ni utk palestin..
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Libyan anti-aircraft missiles may have reached Gaza Hamas has smuggled Russian man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS) into the Gaza Strip, according to Israeli newspaper Haaretz . The presence of the weapons, thought to have been looted from Libyan military warehouses, is a concern for Israel because they curb the air force's almost unlimited freedom of movement over Gaza and could be used against civil aviation in Eilat, the newspaper claims
[first posted to http://jmr.janes.com - 01 November 2011] Boleh tgk Apache kena tembak nanti... ekekekeke | |
| | | marc_zman MODERATOR
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| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 11:59 am | |
| idak pula disebut dari jenis apa manpads tu.. best bet dari keturunan strela atau igla | |
| | | heavyduty Lt Colonel
Posts : 1747 Reputation : 150 Join date : 15/03/2011 Age : 43 Location : OPSEC
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:07 pm | |
| well i wouldnt be that bothered if they used it against the IDF but like the rocket attacks more often than not civilians are the ones that are hit | |
| | | yaminz MODERATOR
Posts : 13517 Reputation : 378 Join date : 23/04/2010 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:11 pm | |
| - marc_zman wrote:
- idak pula disebut dari jenis apa manpads tu.. best bet dari keturunan strela atau igla
Xkesah la marc, yg penting leh tembak burung... ekekekeke | |
| | | mumuchi GLOBAL MODERATOR
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| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:12 pm | |
| i think the threat is more real than the hardware HD..at least gives pause rather than freehand to joy ride all over em.. - Quote :
- curb the air force's almost unlimited freedom of movement over Gaza
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| | | heavyduty Lt Colonel
Posts : 1747 Reputation : 150 Join date : 15/03/2011 Age : 43 Location : OPSEC
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:16 pm | |
| would be kindda ironic and sad if the IDF launched a SEAD mission and turn that place into a parking lot because of the MANPADs | |
| | | mumuchi GLOBAL MODERATOR
Posts : 19551 Reputation : 525 Join date : 05/06/2010 Location : Dulu Tempat Lumba Kuda
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:19 pm | |
| SEAD against manpads..pergh macamana tu? | |
| | | yaminz MODERATOR
Posts : 13517 Reputation : 378 Join date : 23/04/2010 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:21 pm | |
| - heavyduty wrote:
- would be kindda ironic and sad if the IDF launched a SEAD mission and turn that place into a parking lot because of the MANPADs
Wat a waste of bullet n money... ekekekeke | |
| | | heavyduty Lt Colonel
Posts : 1747 Reputation : 150 Join date : 15/03/2011 Age : 43 Location : OPSEC
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:28 pm | |
| yeah coz israel has shown they aren't willing to destroy everything just to accomplish something small
if the civilians pressure the government then...
mark 84s are provided for free no? | |
| | | marc_zman MODERATOR
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| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 1:29 pm | |
| - yaminz wrote:
- marc_zman wrote:
- idak pula disebut dari jenis apa manpads tu.. best bet dari keturunan strela atau igla
Xkesah la marc, yg penting leh tembak burung... ekekekeke sajer je wa mo tau sebaik mana manpads yg diorang dpt.. sama ada buat kacau ajer atau mmg serius punya mainan | |
| | | yaminz MODERATOR
Posts : 13517 Reputation : 378 Join date : 23/04/2010 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Wed 23 Nov 2011, 2:02 pm | |
| - marc_zman wrote:
- yaminz wrote:
- marc_zman wrote:
- idak pula disebut dari jenis apa manpads tu.. best bet dari keturunan strela atau igla
Xkesah la marc, yg penting leh tembak burung... ekekekeke sajer je wa mo tau sebaik mana manpads yg diorang dpt.. sama ada buat kacau ajer atau mmg serius punya mainan Kalo dpt igla pun da kira cukup... | |
| | | mumuchi GLOBAL MODERATOR
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| Subject: Re: Libya crisis Sat 18 Feb 2012, 8:57 am | |
| Bahagian Freedom Fighting yang biasanya di"lupa"kan.. - Quote :
15 February 2012 Libya: 'Out of control' militias commit widespread abuses, a year on from uprising
Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International
Armed militias operating across Libya commit widespread human rights abuses with impunity, fuelling insecurity and hindering the rebuilding of state institutions, warned Amnesty International in a new report released today, a year on from the start of the February 2011 uprising.
The report Militias threaten hopes for new Libya, documents widespread and serious abuses, including war crimes, by a multitude of militias against suspected al-Gaddafi loyalists, with cases of people being unlawfully detained and tortured – sometimes to death.
African migrants and refugees have also been targeted, and revenge attacks have been carried out, forcibly displacing entire communities – while the authorities have done nothing to investigate the abuses and hold those responsible to account.
“Militias in Libya are largely out of control and the blanket impunity they enjoy only encourages further abuses and perpetuates instability and insecurity,” said Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International.
“A year ago Libyans risked their lives to demand justice. Today their hopes are being jeopardized by lawless armed militias who trample human rights with impunity. The only way to break with the entrenched practices of decades of abuse under Colonel al-Gaddafi’s authoritarian rule is to ensure that nobody is above the law and that investigations are carried out into such abuses”.
In January and early February 2012, Amnesty International delegates visited 11 detention facilities in central and western Libya used by various militias and at 10 of these locations, detainees said they had been tortured or ill-treated en situ, and showed Amnesty International injuries resulting from recent abuse. Several detainees said they had confessed to rape, killings and other crimes they had not committed just to end the torture.
At least 12 detainees held by militias have died after being tortured since September. Their bodies were covered in bruises, wounds and cuts and some had had nails pulled off.
Individuals held in and around Tripoli, Gharyan, Misratah, Sirte and Zawiya told Amnesty International they had been suspended in contorted positions; beaten for hours with whips, cables, plastic hoses, metal chains and bars, and wooden sticks; and given electric shocks with live wires and taser-like electro-shock weapons.
At a detention centre in Misratah an Amnesty International delegate saw armed militia members beating and threatening some detainees whose release had been ordered. An older detainee from Tawargha was cowering, squatting against the wall, and crying as he was being kicked and threatened by a militia member who told Amnesty International that “those from Tawargha will not be released or we’ll kill them”.
In an interrogation centre in Misratah and Tripoli Amnesty International found detainees who interrogators had tried to conceal and who had been severely tortured – one so badly that he could hardly move or speak.
Not a single effective investigation is known to have been carried out into cases of torture, even in cases where detainees died after having been tortured at militia headquarters or in interrogation centres which are formally or informally recognized or linked to the central authorities.
“Militias with a record of abuse of detainees should simply not be allowed to hold anyone and all detainees should be immediately transferred to authorized detention facilities under the control of the National Transitional Council.”
No investigations have been carried out either into other grave abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of detainees and other war crimes, including the killing of some 65 people whose bodies were found on 23 October in a hotel in Sirte which served as a base for opposition fighters from Misratah.
Militia members are seen on video footage obtained by Amnesty International hitting and threatening to kill a group of 29 men in their custody. One is heard saying “take them all and kill them”. Their bodies were among those found three days later at the hotel, many with their hands tied behind their back and shot in the head.
The Libyan authorities have so far taken no action against the militias who have forcibly displaced entire communities – a crime under international law. Militias from Misratah drove out the entire population of Tawargha, some 30,000 people, and looted and burned down their homes in revenge for crimes some Tawargha are accused of having committed during the conflict. Thousands of members of the Mashashya tribe were similarly forced out of their village by militias from Zintan, in the Nafusa Mountains. These and other communities remains displaced in makeshift camps around the country while no action has been taken to hold the perpetrators accountable or to allow the displaced communities to return home.
“The blanket impunity afforded to militias is sending the message that such abuses are tolerated and is contributing to making such practices accepted practice. Individuals responsible for abuses must be held to account for their actions and removed from positions that would allow them to repeat such abuses.” said Donatella Rovera.
“It is imperative that the Libyan authorities firmly demonstrate their commitment to turning the page on decades of systematic violations by reining in the militias, investigating all past and present abuses and prosecuting those responsible - on all sides - in accordance with international law.”
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