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Versi british

Dan

Versi OZ

Cess versi british tak leh link fasal indo* tak lepas..

CCP dan buang "" pada n tu..

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Yang para indo* lepas ke johor tu naik kapal terbang ke mendarat laut ? Rasanya terjun kan ? maybe commonwealth punya ROE kena bom yang jatuh, bukan paratroop?

Kat johor naik charlie.

Rujuk mukadepan Straits Times kat sini===>Microfilm ST 3 Sept 1964

marc_zman wrote:

yaminz wrote:

marc_zman wrote:

yaminz wrote:

bukan nyer Konfrantasi da tamat dulu bro, misi dbatalkan...

nope.. dari apa yg wa paham.. itu heavy bomber akan hanya di deploy sekiranya pihak indonesia 'declare' all out war dgn Malaysia.. sebelum konfrantasi start pun kalu x salah itu heavy bomber mmg ada sekali sekala turun sini.. kene ingat UK mmg ada byk kepentingan kat asia masa tu.. & masa tu pun komunis tgh berkembang

nope la, british amalkan restricted rules of engagement, Indonesia TNI-AU bom dulu baru British RAF/RAAF bom...

adey.. apparraaa.. mmg ler masa tu British ada appled restricted rules of engagement.. tapi.. kalu negara yg sedang berkonfrantasi dgn kita pi hantar pesawat dia kasik bom kita secara terbuka.. tebabooooo dia pi bom kem tau pangkalan udara tau laut tentera kita.. errr.. tu bukan kira "declare" all out war ka?

isk isk isk

so ada yg kena serangan udara ms tu? kan konfrantasi nama nyer... limited engagement. British pun tau diorg nyer limitation, mau invite kuasa dunia yg lain masuk campur... Soviet... jadi advantage kat PKI... Susah ooo CIA masuk jarum...

marc_zman wrote:

sajareg wrote:

Yang para indo* lepas ke johor tu naik kapal terbang ke mendarat laut ? Rasanya terjun kan ? maybe commonwealth punya ROE kena bom yang jatuh, bukan paratroop?

IMO.. level pencerobohan ni masih dikira sebagai kecil dan terkawal.. senang cakap.. ancaman yg ada semuanya bersifat ancaman subversif serta gerila..

lain ler kalu 1 bgd para indone drop kat johor ke haper.. tu mmg dah hantar mesej jelas tu

yup betul...

marc_zman wrote:

yaminz wrote:

marc_zman wrote:

yaminz wrote:

marc_zman wrote:

yaminz wrote:

bukan nyer Konfrantasi da tamat dulu bro, misi dbatalkan...

nope.. dari apa yg wa paham.. itu heavy bomber akan hanya di deploy sekiranya pihak indonesia 'declare' all out war dgn Malaysia.. sebelum konfrantasi start pun kalu x salah itu heavy bomber mmg ada sekali sekala turun sini.. kene ingat UK mmg ada byk kepentingan kat asia masa tu.. & masa tu pun komunis tgh berkembang

nope la, british amalkan restricted rules of engagement, Indonesia TNI-AU bom dulu baru British RAF/RAAF bom...

adey.. apparraaa.. mmg ler masa tu British ada appled restricted rules of engagement.. tapi.. kalu negara yg sedang berkonfrantasi dgn kita pi hantar pesawat dia kasik bom kita secara terbuka.. tebabooooo dia pi bom kem tau pangkalan udara tau laut tentera kita.. errr.. tu bukan kira "declare" all out war ka?

isk isk isk

so ada yg kena serangan udara ms tu? kan konfrantasi nama nyer... limited engagement. British pun tau diorg nyer limitation, mau invite kuasa dunia yg lain masuk campur... Soviet... jadi advantage kat PKI... Susah ooo CIA masuk jarum...

adeh deh deh.. sakit urat pewut wa ni   
lain pulak yg dia paham yer
ikut suka hang ler stadz

hahahaha

Ustad cer baca analisis USA ni..nak tengok apa ko faham..

Foreign Relations 1964-1968, Volume XXVI, Indonesia; Malaysia-Singapore; Philippines

mumuchi wrote:

Ustad cer baca analisis USA ni..nak tengok apa ko faham..

Foreign Relations 1964-1968, Volume XXVI, Indonesia; Malaysia-Singapore; Philippines  

TAR claim Indonesia ingin mmusnahkan Malaysia dan myahkan org barat dr rantau ASEAN, sama mcm Komunis punyer cara.

Tp US punyer support mcm divided, sokong Malaysia tp pada ms yg sama cuba tidak Anti-Indonesia scara lahiriah sbab US mpunyai hubungan baik dgn Sukarno...

Nampak US ada option tok mjatuhkan Sukarno, sbab diorg nampak Sukarno mrupakan seorg yg mnimbulkan masalah...

Relative nyer Konfrantasi antara Malaysia-Indonesia tidak sburuk yg dsangkakan -> CIA claims...

dan orang kita memandai buat statement 1 ayat je...

apa US military aid kat Malaysia pada masa konfrantasi tu? mcm xda pun...

armored personnel carriers and anti-aircraft guns)
possible helicopter sales to Malaysia,

(a) Prime Minister's request to President that he moderate terms of credit for purchase of helicopters

however, GOM clearly does expect concession on terms for helicopter purchase, and I have recommended we give consideration to moderating those terms.)

 

mumuchi wrote:

armored personnel carriers and anti-aircraft guns)
possible helicopter sales to Malaysia,

(a) Prime Minister's request to President that he moderate terms of credit for purchase of helicopters

however, GOM clearly does expect concession on terms for helicopter purchase, and I have recommended we give consideration to moderating those terms.)

 

yup tu yg US consider possible military aids... APC/Anti-aircraft/Helikopter... sy maksud yg da dbawa masuk k malaysia... physical asset..,.

APC - V100

anti aircraft - tarak

helo - Bell 407 dgn Sikorsky S-61A4

tin wrote:

APC - V100

anti aircraft - tarak

helo - Bell 407 dgn Sikorsky S-61A4

jap bell 407, first flight 1995 & introduced dlm 1996...    

eh typo. should be Bell 47 heheheh...

tin wrote:

eh typo. should be Bell 47 heheheh...

tu versi awam la abe tin, kita xda... nie versi military, Bell H-13 Sioux baru kita ada guna...