MMW wrote:

Basically what Vympel told about about RMAF plan (after "discussing" with RMAF top brass) are:-

a) Trading the MiG 29N for 6 Su-30MKM Mk II (better than the existing Su-30MKM). 18 will be stationed at Gong Kedak and 6 at Kuantan.

b) Trading the 8 F/A 18D to get 24 F/A 18F + cash. 12 will be at Butterworth and 12 will be at Labuan.

c) BAe Hawk will be located at Kuching for ground support!!

So the main force will be 48 two types aircraft which consists of 24 SH and 24 Su-30MKM.

About RMN:-

Gowind will be selected ahead of Sigma because of good relationship with DCNS and good product in Scorpene.

So my initial comment;

One of the RMAF planning (after "discussing" with RMAF top brass) Vympel already got it wrong.... Our F/A 18D is being upgraded as we speaks... So surely we will not trade our F/A18D after spending millions upgrading it... do we?

And why relocate the whole Hawk squadron to Kuching for? You talk about attack from Singapore, amphibious landing at Kuantan and Mersing, southern Thai saperatist and yet the ground attack squadron be relocated to Kuching? WTF??

As to the comment regarding amphibious landing with F/A18 F shooting the amphibious ship while Su-30MKM flying top cover.... that BS. As I mention earlier MRCA is self escorting. That's why they are in the first place being called MRCA. If they are not self escorting then they are not MRCA! Period!!

In MRCA era, that Su-30MKM will joint the F/A18F shooting the amphib ship while at the same time escorting each other. We like the mix of Russian supersonic and US subsonic missile to confuse the ship defences.

So trust what Vympel said at your own peril!!

I wonder if Vympel is really who he claimed....

its not about trusting anyone or not trusting someone...its about waht he thought about RMAF orbit from his point of view... its good to get to know what other ppls thinking about our airforce... you were right our F18D is being upgraded with Atflir and some other goodies...

at least his remarks about our RMAF is not flaming or biased.... not like some indo flamers in cari.

and furthermore we ourself still dont know which fighters the govt will choose... and from his point of view its good to have Su30mkm to cover F18/F during sea bombing raid or watever coz once F18/f is fully loaded with harpoon its hard for them to manouver especially in an air to air combat... its just an idea , depends on the scenario it could be a good option in one scenario or could be a bad in in another scenario...

i dont really bother who he really is.. for me his statement give us some light on what others are thinking or evaluating our state of readiness... they might be wrong and if they are really wrong its an advantage to RMAF..

pergh dah melalut 4 page dah OT so wa split. Sambung sini ok! Thanks!

huhuu.. ot kelaut

hmmm, okler dari apa yang aku sempat menelaah penulisan vympel nih ada gak fakta yang betul n ada gak antara diceduk dri think tank rmaf nyer team, ada yang terang2 mimpi indah but beberapa tulisan dia mmg kena pada fakta asal... nak kata dia main ceduk n tulis jerk xleh gak, maybe sumber dia sembang tuh okler tapi more to citer cover2... idea is there but need more time n money to implement it...

Apa yang aku perasan, dia kata dia intel Thai, spelling & grammar error tu biarla, tp model & version no. bg missile/weapon tu yg hancuss. Tak kisahla dia bg pendapat camne pon, cuma macam mana nak percaya ckp intel yg tak betul fact?

Ap yg aku ingat dia kata Meko A150, then Astros pakai missile, tu pon salah dah.

malberi8 wrote:

its not about trusting anyone or not trusting someone...its about waht he thought about RMAF orbit from his point of view... its good to get to know what other ppls thinking about our airforce... you were right our F18D is being upgraded with Atflir and some other goodies...

at least his remarks about our RMAF is not flaming or biased.... not like some indo flamers in cari.

and furthermore we ourself still dont know which fighters the govt will choose... and from his point of view its good to have Su30mkm to cover F18/F during sea bombing raid or watever coz once F18/f is fully loaded with harpoon its hard for them to manouver especially in an air to air combat... its just an idea , depends on the scenario it could be a good option in one scenario or could be a bad in in another scenario...

i dont really bother who he really is.. for me his statement give us some light on what others are thinking or evaluating our state of readiness... they might be wrong and if they are really wrong its an advantage to RMAF..

What really offend me is his cheekiness to write as if he knows everything, his writing is "the bible" of RMAF and RMN because he has a high ranking friend in MAF.

Come on la...... we all write here with a tongue in a cheek because we know that decision may change in a split second. But for Vympel... noooo he knows everything.

And that offend me!

As for F/A 18F well, we will have AEW&C don't we? We have the AMRAAM don't we. We will have the data link with the AEW& C dont' we? Even if the Hornet is fully loaded with 4 Harpoons it can still carry 4 AMRAAM and 2 AiM-9. And the AMRAAM can be shot BVR at any adversary based on the input from the AEW&C of from it's own AESA Radar.

That's what I mean by self escort!!.... releasing the Su-30MKM to attend to other mission. And the Su-30MKM can also do the same - self escorting!

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IIRC there was an incident during Operation Desert Storm when a bomb-laden 'Legacy' Hornet managed to shoot down an Iraqi Fishbed?

MMW wrote:

malberi8 wrote:

its not about trusting anyone or not trusting someone...its about waht he thought about RMAF orbit from his point of view... its good to get to know what other ppls thinking about our airforce... you were right our F18D is being upgraded with Atflir and some other goodies...

at least his remarks about our RMAF is not flaming or biased.... not like some indo flamers in cari.

and furthermore we ourself still dont know which fighters the govt will choose... and from his point of view its good to have Su30mkm to cover F18/F during sea bombing raid or watever coz once F18/f is fully loaded with harpoon its hard for them to manouver especially in an air to air combat... its just an idea , depends on the scenario it could be a good option in one scenario or could be a bad in in another scenario...

i dont really bother who he really is.. for me his statement give us some light on what others are thinking or evaluating our state of readiness... they might be wrong and if they are really wrong its an advantage to RMAF..

What really offend me is his cheekiness to write as if he knows everything, his writing is "the bible" of RMAF and RMN because he has a high ranking friend in MAF.

Come on la...... we all write here with a tongue in a cheek because we know that decision may change in a split second. But for Vympel... noooo he knows everything.

And that offend me!

As for F/A 18F well, we will have AEW&C don't we? We have the AMRAAM don't we. We will have the data link with the AEW& C dont' we? Even if the Hornet is fully loaded with 4 Harpoons it can still carry 4 AMRAAM and 2 AiM-9. And the AMRAAM can be shot BVR at any adversary based on the input from the AEW&C of from it's own AESA Radar.

That's what I mean by self escort!!.... releasing the Su-30MKM to attend to other mission. And the Su-30MKM can also do the same - self escorting!

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In the true sense of MRCA SH capable utk A-A engagement especially in BVR. Tp aku rasa maksud malberi bila dah fully loaded dgn AshM atau AGM, manouevribility drop giler, so WVR capability jadi critical kalo BVR engagement failed. So masa ni a fighter with primary mission utk A-A diperlukan

mmmbop wrote:

In the true sense of MRCA SH capable utk A-A engagement especially in BVR. Tp aku rasa maksud malberi bila dah fully loaded dgn AshM atau AGM, manouevribility drop giler, so WVR capability jadi critical kalo BVR engagement failed. So masa ni a fighter with primary mission utk A-A diperlukan

mencelah sket...

Rhino tuh clean ka, fully laden ka, mmg dogfight capability mcm hampeh. kena bergantung kpd BVR.


tu jer, carry on...

tin wrote:

mmmbop wrote:

In the true sense of MRCA SH capable utk A-A engagement especially in BVR. Tp aku rasa maksud malberi bila dah fully loaded dgn AshM atau AGM, manouevribility drop giler, so WVR capability jadi critical kalo BVR engagement failed. So masa ni a fighter with primary mission utk A-A diperlukan

mencelah sket...

Rhino tuh clean ka, fully laden ka, mmg dogfight capability mcm hampeh. kena bergantung kpd BVR.

tu jer, carry on...

Actually kalau engkau dah kena tembak dari jauh dengan AMRAAM engkau pun tak boleh duduk diam dan kena maneuver jugak. Kalau ada drop tank pun kena buang. Masa tu RWR menjerit2 tak menggelabah?

By the time engkau habis maneuver and concentrate in "ducking" the AMRAAM, SH already accomplished it's mission (launch the Harpoon) and fully concentrate on engaging you with the remaining AMRAAM and AIM-9!.

MMW wrote:

tin wrote:

mmmbop wrote:

In the true sense of MRCA SH capable utk A-A engagement especially in BVR. Tp aku rasa maksud malberi bila dah fully loaded dgn AshM atau AGM, manouevribility drop giler, so WVR capability jadi critical kalo BVR engagement failed. So masa ni a fighter with primary mission utk A-A diperlukan

mencelah sket...

Rhino tuh clean ka, fully laden ka, mmg dogfight capability mcm hampeh. kena bergantung kpd BVR.

tu jer, carry on...

Actually kalau engkau dah kena tembak dari jauh dengan AMRAAM engkau pun tak boleh duduk diam dan kena maneuver jugak. Kalau ada drop tank pun kena buang. Masa tu RWR menjerit2 tak menggelabah?

By the time engkau habis maneuver and concentrate in "ducking" the AMRAAM, SH already accomplished it's mission (launch the Harpoon) and fully concentrate on engaging you with the remaining AMRAAM and AIM-9!.

errr... ini MMW jawap sapa punya posting nih?

tin wrote:

mmmbop wrote:

In the true sense of MRCA SH capable utk A-A engagement especially in BVR. Tp aku rasa maksud malberi bila dah fully loaded dgn AshM atau AGM, manouevribility drop giler, so WVR capability jadi critical kalo BVR engagement failed. So masa ni a fighter with primary mission utk A-A diperlukan

mencelah sket...

Rhino tuh clean ka, fully laden ka, mmg dogfight capability mcm hampeh. kena bergantung kpd BVR.


tu jer, carry on...

The only reason yg sama aku tak gemar SH tp tau ni yg paling suitable utk TUDM dr segi ILS. Tp still, dia mampu menyengat dgn fancy AIM9x, JHMCS utk WVR, cuma aircraft performance je masalah

MMW wrote:

tin wrote:

mmmbop wrote:

In the true sense of MRCA SH capable utk A-A engagement especially in BVR. Tp aku rasa maksud malberi bila dah fully loaded dgn AshM atau AGM, manouevribility drop giler, so WVR capability jadi critical kalo BVR engagement failed. So masa ni a fighter with primary mission utk A-A diperlukan

mencelah sket...

Rhino tuh clean ka, fully laden ka, mmg dogfight capability mcm hampeh. kena bergantung kpd BVR.

tu jer, carry on...

Actually kalau engkau dah kena tembak dari jauh dengan AMRAAM engkau pun tak boleh duduk diam dan kena maneuver jugak. Kalau ada drop tank pun kena buang. Masa tu RWR menjerit2 tak menggelabah?

By the time engkau habis maneuver and concentrate in "ducking" the AMRAAM, SH already accomplished it's mission (launch the Harpoon) and fully concentrate on engaging you with the remaining AMRAAM and AIM-9!.

Kena tengok jugak sapa yg fired BVR dulu

Hehehe..boleh percaya ke yg si mamat tul cakap? tengok, english wording dia pun problem je (in term of spelling bla..bla..bla..), saya rasa ada idea pd dia tu tapi lebih kepada mengarut je kot..dr segi hujah2 tak nampak sangat kepakaran2 dia dlm bidang military ni.

Saya rasa dia ni rakyat malaysia je yg nak 'playing game' dgn forumer sana..almaklumlah, dr segi bahasa dan tatacara pengisiannya tu nak menangkan Malaysia (lebih pada show off je / nak tunjuk power) compare to Indomeeland.. Apa yg dikata tu pun boleh ambil dr banyak link (forum2 pertahanan Malaysia)..

Kenapa saya rasa dia ni Orang Mesia,

1. Penggunaan bahasa inggeris dia tu caca marba la..Atase (international military reps) should be good in English (both communication and writing).

2. Mustahil sebegitu mudah wakil ATM utk share info, rasanya dibuat2 sahaja tu. Takkan orang Thai begitu mahir (kalau ada pun, mesti disimpan sahaja dan kegunaan dalaman sahaja)

3. tengok gaya, dia mcm psyco-ops je ni, nak bagi negara jiran tu rasa 'segan' skit kat ATM, so takdak la ganyang2.

4. lepas baca semua link2 dan thread tu, memang ada unsur utk 'gayang' Malaysia, so, hujah2 mamat tu (rasanya tak betul, tapi saya suka dengar taktikalnya..) boleh matikan hujah2 mamat2 lain yg rasa gah dan mudah nak serang kita..kihkihkih..

5. Isu forumer2 yg mengaku dr negara lain (hatta mengaku orang malaysia sekalipun) memang ada, which is lebih kepada nak dapatkan keyakinan je. BTW, dia gunakan bahasa inggeris, so that no one can identify his originality..


I dont think he is an atase..takdak gaya la sangat..

Apa2 pun, ok gak..tak la forumer tu asyik nak ganyang malaysia..kihkihkihkih..

Hmmm..ntah la, bagi saya, apa yg dia kata tu, boleh jadi betul..boleh jadi salah.

Saya rasa, orang luar boleh la percaya, tapi kita kat malaysia ni..dah tau citer2 sebenar..baik amik yg kita rasa perlu..(besides, kita pun ada military expert apa..lagi expert dr mamat tu)

p/s - I like' vympel' nick name..hehehehe..dulu pernah guna nick name ni dlm salah satu blog pertahanan terkenal kita, tak sangka plak ada orang lain yg minat nick name ni..heheheheh..(so, dah ada sedara..)

hehehe..lupa nak inform, 'vympel' dlm forum Mymill (sebelum ni) dan 'blog pertahanan terkenal kita' tu saya, tapi saya terpaksa register baru dgn nama baru since yg nickname lama tu dah tak valid (tak posting), and kena pakai nama sendiri sebab ada kawan dr forum lain (PP) dah alert saya pasal si mamat 'vympel' yg kononnya atase di forum tersebut. So, nak selamatkan diri..tukar la nickname..(liability wooo..)

Last2, pakai nama sendiri..senang orang nak kenal..hehehe..

p/s - Some idea, why dont we register dlm forum tersebut, dan kita boleh bersoaljawab dgn Mr vympel tu..atau kita boleh jemput dia ke Mymill, utk further discussion. Tuan Admin boleh jemput kot?

Apa yang vympel cakap tu kebanyakannya sepertimanan Muchi cakap, kita dah tahu. Tapi apabila di tokok tambah dengan pandangannya maka itu yang nampak macam hebat.

Ada tak pandangan lain dari forum lain tentang militari kita?

tak silap, nick Vympel ni ada kat cari dlu!

si vympel tu ulas bende yg selama ni forumer2 kita kerap bincangkan...cuma dia tambah pewarna dan perisa tiruan yg nampak berpadanan..

Tuan Haji..kalau Tuan Hj vympel kat cari,, memang dah bertekak dah, nasib baik bukan. ala Tuan Haji nak guna nick vympel tu kat sini pun boleh lagi, pm aja kat admin mintak kebenaran.

Tak payahla ajak 'vympel' tu ke sini, nanti jadi citer lain..

MMW, bah military kita ni manyak forum bahaskan, malas dah nak scan..tapi kalau ada cerita2 menarik, leh ketengahkan kat sini.

mumuchi wrote:

Tuan Haji..kalau Tuan Hj vympel kat cari,, memang dah bertekak dah, nasib baik bukan. ala Tuan Haji nak guna nick vympel tu kat sini pun boleh lagi, pm aja kat admin mintak kebenaran.

Tak payahla ajak 'vympel' tu ke sini, nanti jadi citer lain..

MMW, bah military kita ni manyak forum bahaskan, malas dah nak scan..tapi kalau ada cerita2 menarik, leh ketengahkan kat sini.

hehehe..takmo la guna nickname tu lagi, boleh jadi liability nanti..(nanti orang kutuk vympel sana, vympel sini yg terasa..kihkihkih..)kekal je la dgn nickname sekarang..senang.

Hmmm..ok la bos, nak kena pergi ke thread kagat sat..tumpang lalu..

in these few week I'm posting non stop about Indonesia Military procurement in LYN.
all those keyboard warrior that condemn SGPV entah hilang ke mana.

marc_zman wrote:

maybe they went to indonesia to check on those procurements..

rasanya tak...
sebab mereka memang cepat kalau pasal Malaysia punya military procurement.
sampai masuk issue economy, dan pasal international dispute law pun tarik masuk.

femes jugak saya kat mana-mana forum hehehe....

HangPC2 wrote:

femes jugak saya kat mana-mana forum hehehe....

ko memangla