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kerambit75 Kehormat MyMil
Posts : 2612 Join date : 07/05/2010
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 12:12 pm | |
| ANZACs in Vietnam Tentera AS bersama tentera Korea Selatan di Vietnam Tim perubatan TD Filipina di Vietnam | |
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anya8797 Colonel
Posts : 2721 Reputation : 60 Join date : 07/03/2011 Location : kuala lumpur
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm | |
| ada satu line dalam documentary kat discovery channel yang sebut... macam mana negara yang besenjatakan buluh boleh menang perang nih.... mungkin merujuk pada jerangkap samar kot.... | |
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heavyduty Lt Colonel
Posts : 1747 Reputation : 150 Join date : 15/03/2011 Age : 43 Location : OPSEC
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 1:47 pm | |
| a popular misconception
talked to some vets and they say the booby traps rarely get anything
the one that won the war were AMERICAN media and the realization that the war was pretty much BS even if they had won
the tet offensive was a hard smacking military failure for the PAVN but the media misconception made it seem like the US got mopped by the PAVN | |
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kerambit75 Kehormat MyMil
Posts : 2612 Reputation : 83 Join date : 07/05/2010 Age : 49 Location : Ipoh
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 1:55 pm | |
| - heavyduty wrote:
- a popular misconception
talked to some vets and they say the booby traps rarely get anything
the one that won the war were AMERICAN media and the realization that the war was pretty much BS even if they had won
the tet offensive was a hard smacking military failure for the PAVN but the media misconception made it seem like the US got mopped by the PAVN Had you meet Canadians who fight that war as a US servicemen? | |
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heavyduty Lt Colonel
Posts : 1747 Reputation : 150 Join date : 15/03/2011 Age : 43 Location : OPSEC
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 2:10 pm | |
| - mumuchi wrote:
when the vets joined the hippies that it became wrong! when they spit on veterans who came back then it just got sick - kerambit75 wrote:
Had you meet Canadians who fight that war as a US servicemen? yes and they're dont look like the PTSD stricken crazy people we see on TV they are glad they fought but are bitter towards the government canada hasn't been in war since korea so we dont see as much action as the US there were some canadian soldiers in iraq too | |
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kapokbesi Captain
Posts : 969 Reputation : 181 Join date : 17/09/2011 Age : 38 Location : ولا تمشى فى الارض مرحا
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 2:22 pm | |
| terbaek la gambar2 nih..rare sungguh... | |
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dewafrost Kehormat MyMil
Posts : 3762 Reputation : 146 Join date : 20/06/2010
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 2:34 pm | |
| - heavyduty wrote:
- a popular misconception
talked to some vets and they say the booby traps rarely get anything
the one that won the war were AMERICAN media and the realization that the war was pretty much BS even if they had won
the tet offensive was a hard smacking military failure for the PAVN but the media misconception made it seem like the US got mopped by the PAVN the main couse of the failure is the VC taking their own law to the peoples, so thats why they dont have any contributes from their own peoples, i dont blame to the media about the misconception, its because they try to tell dont trust to the enemy.... coz they will do anything during we unconscious... | |
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dewafrost Kehormat MyMil
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| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 2:56 pm | |
| keta bebal pertama yg rempuh istana presiden | |
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azim09 Lt Colonel
Posts : 1628 Reputation : 230 Join date : 27/09/2010 Age : 32 Location : off the grid
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 3:02 pm | |
| keta kebal ni ade di pamerkan muzium perang nasional vietnam kan ? | |
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yaminz MODERATOR
Posts : 13517 Reputation : 378 Join date : 23/04/2010 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 5:43 pm | |
| Tet Offensive, taktical win by US... Strategicly lost for US since they cannot cantrol the whole south vietnam... VC/NVA can freely conduct offensive anywhere, anytime and any place... | |
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heavyduty Lt Colonel
Posts : 1747 Reputation : 150 Join date : 15/03/2011 Age : 43 Location : OPSEC
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 6:09 pm | |
| thats pretty much the image giap wants to send back to the american people
the large scale border crossing raid failed but the american people thought
'ZOMG ITS THE TURNING POINT OF THE WARRR'
eventhough for the regular soldier/marine it like another day
VC were pretty much wiped out in 69 thanks to one general Vo Nguyen Giap
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yaminz MODERATOR
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| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 7:50 pm | |
| - heavyduty wrote:
- thats pretty much the image giap wants to send back to the american people
the large scale border crossing raid failed but the american people thought
'ZOMG ITS THE TURNING POINT OF THE WARRR'
eventhough for the regular soldier/marine it like another day
VC were pretty much wiped out in 69 thanks to one general Vo Nguyen Giap
that what we call human sacrifice bro... ekekeke | |
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panah hikmat Warrant Officer
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| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 10:44 pm | |
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heavyduty Lt Colonel
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| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 11:02 pm | |
| forgot to mention
a friend of mine had a grandfather who served in vietnam
but he served on the other side of the iron curtain | |
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anya8797 Colonel
Posts : 2721 Reputation : 60 Join date : 07/03/2011 Location : kuala lumpur
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Mon 31 Oct 2011, 11:52 pm | |
| - heavyduty wrote:
- a popular misconception
talked to some vets and they say the booby traps rarely get anything
the one that won the war were AMERICAN media and the realization that the war was pretty much BS even if they had won
the tet offensive was a hard smacking military failure for the PAVN but the media misconception made it seem like the US got mopped by the PAVN a hard smacking military failure meaning? sebab vietnamese lagi ramai mati dari american soldiers? is that it? | |
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heavyduty Lt Colonel
Posts : 1747 Reputation : 150 Join date : 15/03/2011 Age : 43 Location : OPSEC
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Tue 01 Nov 2011, 12:06 am | |
| it did not meet its military objectives and yes the high number of casualties
the VC ranks were decimated during the offensive.most of the VC were made up of PAVN soldiers afterwards
US forces won on the battlefield but the PAVN won in the media | |
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anya8797 Colonel
Posts : 2721 Reputation : 60 Join date : 07/03/2011 Location : kuala lumpur
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Tue 01 Nov 2011, 12:31 am | |
| - heavyduty wrote:
- it did not meet its military objectives and yes the high number of casualties
the VC ranks were decimated during the offensive.most of the VC were made up of PAVN soldiers afterwards
US forces won on the battlefield but the PAVN won in the media HD.. to my simple deduction... in the end what matters would be... vietnam dapat kat sapa.... and US cannot boast of this.... | |
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marc_zman MODERATOR
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| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Tue 01 Nov 2011, 8:59 am | |
| one should see not only the outcome, but also the story behind it. yes, the viets won & they got what they want.
ever notice anything after that? | |
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dewafrost Kehormat MyMil
Posts : 3762 Reputation : 146 Join date : 20/06/2010
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Tue 01 Nov 2011, 10:14 am | |
| they get what they want, but suffers in living afterward...... peace and calm.... but, there is a war going on here..... | |
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yaminz MODERATOR
Posts : 13517 Reputation : 378 Join date : 23/04/2010 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Tue 01 Nov 2011, 10:40 am | |
| Suffers, not really... Vietnam on the way to become little dragon for economics reformations... | |
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mumuchi GLOBAL MODERATOR
Posts : 19551 Reputation : 525 Join date : 05/06/2010 Location : Dulu Tempat Lumba Kuda
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Tue 01 Nov 2011, 10:44 am | |
| I have met staff form our Vietnam and even Kampuchea offices..the reality is that they are moving towards China Commie Style economy..and like yaminz said they are moving to become economic tigers in their own right. | |
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dewafrost Kehormat MyMil
Posts : 3762 Reputation : 146 Join date : 20/06/2010
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Tue 01 Nov 2011, 12:44 pm | |
| napalm on the move | |
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heavyduty Lt Colonel
Posts : 1747 Reputation : 150 Join date : 15/03/2011 Age : 43 Location : OPSEC
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Tue 01 Nov 2011, 1:19 pm | |
| - anya8797 wrote:
HD.. to my simple deduction... in the end what matters would be... vietnam dapat kat sapa.... and US cannot boast of this.... i was talking in the context of the tet offensive by the end of the offensive americans still held south vietnam and pushed all PAVN units back to the border militarily speaking,it was a failure the war was pretty much pointless and a humanitarian disaster the US and USSR shouldn't have gone there in the first place | |
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dewafrost Kehormat MyMil
Posts : 3762 Reputation : 146 Join date : 20/06/2010
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Wed 02 Nov 2011, 9:54 am | |
| biar saya ringkas kan cerita pasal trajedi ofensiv TET ni,
utk pengetahuan kak anya, TET ni sebenarnya adalah satu perayaan bagi org vietnam, jadi pihak selatan atau RVN mengadakan gencatan senjata dgn pihak utara NVA utk menghormati perayaan ini, namun pihak NVA langsung tak amik pot pasal perayaan ni, mereka mengambil kesempatan di atas kealpaan pihak RVN beraya sakan dgn melancar satu serangan ofensiv yg berskala besar, bukan hanya tertumpu pada sesuatu tempat, tapi seluruh RVN, namun serangan tersebut hanya di jalankan oleh anggota gerila bawah tanah saje atau VC, bukan regular army NVA, ketika bermaharajalela, VC ni mengambil tindakan undang2 mengikut kehendak sendiri, menangkap rakyat2 dan membunuh mereka tanpa sebab dan bicara, ini merupakan kesilapan yg amat besar di lakukan oleh VC, mereka tidak mendapat sebarang bantuan dari rakyat jelata.
namun, serangan yg di buat oleh VC ni agak tidak teratur, jadi tak lama selepas bermulanya ofensiv mereka pihak RVN segera bangkit dan melancarkan serangan balas, dlm pertempuran kali ini banyak memakan korban pihak VC sendiri, hampir 10k raser nyer, berbanding dgn pihak RVN dgn sekutu jumlah nya agak sedikit, rasa2nyer dlm ratusan sahaja, namun kemusnahan harta dan org awam agak tinggi laaahh sbb VC ni jahat ( hehehehe, sama mcm PKM tuuu ).....
sbb tuu Heavy cakap, media banyak gembar gemburkan pasal TET nii, mcm satu kegagalan RVN dgn sekutunya, sedangkan apa yg patut di dedahkan seperti kemusnahan harta dan nyawa org awam tuuu pandang remeh ajerrrr.... | |
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yaminz MODERATOR
Posts : 13517 Reputation : 378 Join date : 23/04/2010 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Wed 02 Nov 2011, 10:02 am | |
| Bro, rasa nyer kan tet offensive nie adalah kerjasama antara VC ngan NVA. VC mlakukan serangan/sabotaj d bandar2 seluruh Vietnam Selatan. Manakala NVA pula mlakukan offensive d sempadan dan bjaya mnawan bandar Hue... | |
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dewafrost Kehormat MyMil
Posts : 3762 Reputation : 146 Join date : 20/06/2010
| Subject: Re: Vietnam War from the lenses Wed 02 Nov 2011, 10:05 am | |
| aku citer ringkas2 ajerrr, sbb nak telly dgn apa yg Heavy cuba sampai kan....
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