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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by mumuchi Wed 06 Nov 2013, 7:41 pm
Ok ini citer V bombers dari
Versi british
Dan
Versi OZ
Versi british
Dan
Versi OZ
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by mumuchi Wed 06 Nov 2013, 7:44 pm
Cess versi british tak leh link fasal indo* tak lepas..
CCP dan buang "" pada n tu..
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by sajareg Thu 07 Nov 2013, 4:32 am
Yang para indo* lepas ke johor tu naik kapal terbang ke mendarat laut ? Rasanya terjun kan ? maybe commonwealth punya ROE kena bom yang jatuh, bukan paratroop?
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by mumuchi Thu 07 Nov 2013, 6:30 am
Kat johor naik charlie.
Rujuk mukadepan Straits Times kat sini===>Microfilm ST 3 Sept 1964
Rujuk mukadepan Straits Times kat sini===>Microfilm ST 3 Sept 1964
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by yaminz Thu 07 Nov 2013, 12:17 pm
so ada yg kena serangan udara ms tu? kan konfrantasi nama nyer... limited engagement. British pun tau diorg nyer limitation, mau invite kuasa dunia yg lain masuk campur... Soviet... jadi advantage kat PKI... Susah ooo CIA masuk jarum...marc_zman wrote:adey.. apparraaa.. mmg ler masa tu British ada appled restricted rules of engagement.. tapi.. kalu negara yg sedang berkonfrantasi dgn kita pi hantar pesawat dia kasik bom kita secara terbuka.. tebabooooo dia pi bom kem tau pangkalan udara tau laut tentera kita.. errr.. tu bukan kira "declare" all out war ka?yaminz wrote:nope la, british amalkan restricted rules of engagement, Indonesia TNI-AU bom dulu baru British RAF/RAAF bom...marc_zman wrote:nope.. dari apa yg wa paham.. itu heavy bomber akan hanya di deploy sekiranya pihak indonesia 'declare' all out war dgn Malaysia.. sebelum konfrantasi start pun kalu x salah itu heavy bomber mmg ada sekali sekala turun sini.. kene ingat UK mmg ada byk kepentingan kat asia masa tu.. & masa tu pun komunis tgh berkembangyaminz wrote:bukan nyer Konfrantasi da tamat dulu bro, misi dbatalkan...
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by marc_zman Thu 07 Nov 2013, 1:56 pm
IMO.. level pencerobohan ni masih dikira sebagai kecil dan terkawal.. senang cakap.. ancaman yg ada semuanya bersifat ancaman subversif serta gerila..sajareg wrote:Yang para indo* lepas ke johor tu naik kapal terbang ke mendarat laut ? Rasanya terjun kan ? maybe commonwealth punya ROE kena bom yang jatuh, bukan paratroop?
lain ler kalu 1 bgd para indone drop kat johor ke haper.. tu mmg dah hantar mesej jelas tu
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by marc_zman Thu 07 Nov 2013, 2:05 pm
adeh deh deh.. sakit urat pewut wa niyaminz wrote:so ada yg kena serangan udara ms tu? kan konfrantasi nama nyer... limited engagement. British pun tau diorg nyer limitation, mau invite kuasa dunia yg lain masuk campur... Soviet... jadi advantage kat PKI... Susah ooo CIA masuk jarum...marc_zman wrote:adey.. apparraaa.. mmg ler masa tu British ada appled restricted rules of engagement.. tapi.. kalu negara yg sedang berkonfrantasi dgn kita pi hantar pesawat dia kasik bom kita secara terbuka.. tebabooooo dia pi bom kem tau pangkalan udara tau laut tentera kita.. errr.. tu bukan kira "declare" all out war ka?yaminz wrote:nope la, british amalkan restricted rules of engagement, Indonesia TNI-AU bom dulu baru British RAF/RAAF bom...marc_zman wrote:nope.. dari apa yg wa paham.. itu heavy bomber akan hanya di deploy sekiranya pihak indonesia 'declare' all out war dgn Malaysia.. sebelum konfrantasi start pun kalu x salah itu heavy bomber mmg ada sekali sekala turun sini.. kene ingat UK mmg ada byk kepentingan kat asia masa tu.. & masa tu pun komunis tgh berkembangyaminz wrote:bukan nyer Konfrantasi da tamat dulu bro, misi dbatalkan...
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lain pulak yg dia paham yer
ikut suka hang ler stadz
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by yaminz Thu 07 Nov 2013, 2:05 pm
yup betul...marc_zman wrote:IMO.. level pencerobohan ni masih dikira sebagai kecil dan terkawal.. senang cakap.. ancaman yg ada semuanya bersifat ancaman subversif serta gerila..sajareg wrote:Yang para indo* lepas ke johor tu naik kapal terbang ke mendarat laut ? Rasanya terjun kan ? maybe commonwealth punya ROE kena bom yang jatuh, bukan paratroop?
lain ler kalu 1 bgd para indone drop kat johor ke haper.. tu mmg dah hantar mesej jelas tu
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by yaminz Thu 07 Nov 2013, 2:08 pm
hahahahamarc_zman wrote:adeh deh deh.. sakit urat pewut wa niyaminz wrote:so ada yg kena serangan udara ms tu? kan konfrantasi nama nyer... limited engagement. British pun tau diorg nyer limitation, mau invite kuasa dunia yg lain masuk campur... Soviet... jadi advantage kat PKI... Susah ooo CIA masuk jarum...marc_zman wrote:adey.. apparraaa.. mmg ler masa tu British ada appled restricted rules of engagement.. tapi.. kalu negara yg sedang berkonfrantasi dgn kita pi hantar pesawat dia kasik bom kita secara terbuka.. tebabooooo dia pi bom kem tau pangkalan udara tau laut tentera kita.. errr.. tu bukan kira "declare" all out war ka?yaminz wrote:nope la, british amalkan restricted rules of engagement, Indonesia TNI-AU bom dulu baru British RAF/RAAF bom...marc_zman wrote:nope.. dari apa yg wa paham.. itu heavy bomber akan hanya di deploy sekiranya pihak indonesia 'declare' all out war dgn Malaysia.. sebelum konfrantasi start pun kalu x salah itu heavy bomber mmg ada sekali sekala turun sini.. kene ingat UK mmg ada byk kepentingan kat asia masa tu.. & masa tu pun komunis tgh berkembangyaminz wrote:bukan nyer Konfrantasi da tamat dulu bro, misi dbatalkan...
isk isk isk
lain pulak yg dia paham yer
ikut suka hang ler stadz
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by mumuchi Thu 07 Nov 2013, 2:35 pm
Ustad cer baca analisis USA ni..nak tengok apa ko faham..
Foreign Relations 1964-1968, Volume XXVI, Indonesia; Malaysia-Singapore; Philippines
Foreign Relations 1964-1968, Volume XXVI, Indonesia; Malaysia-Singapore; Philippines
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by marc_zman Thu 07 Nov 2013, 2:53 pm
mumuchi wrote:Ustad cer baca analisis USA ni..nak tengok apa ko faham..
Foreign Relations 1964-1968, Volume XXVI, Indonesia; Malaysia-Singapore; Philippines
omak aihhh.. berpinor mata wa baca weh
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by yaminz Thu 07 Nov 2013, 2:58 pm
TAR claim Indonesia ingin mmusnahkan Malaysia dan myahkan org barat dr rantau ASEAN, sama mcm Komunis punyer cara.mumuchi wrote:Ustad cer baca analisis USA ni..nak tengok apa ko faham..
Foreign Relations 1964-1968, Volume XXVI, Indonesia; Malaysia-Singapore; Philippines
Tp US punyer support mcm divided, sokong Malaysia tp pada ms yg sama cuba tidak Anti-Indonesia scara lahiriah sbab US mpunyai hubungan baik dgn Sukarno...
Nampak US ada option tok mjatuhkan Sukarno, sbab diorg nampak Sukarno mrupakan seorg yg mnimbulkan masalah...
Relative nyer Konfrantasi antara Malaysia-Indonesia tidak sburuk yg dsangkakan -> CIA claims...
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by mumuchi Thu 07 Nov 2013, 3:02 pm
dan orang kita memandai buat statement 1 ayat je...
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by yaminz Thu 07 Nov 2013, 3:14 pm
apa US military aid kat Malaysia pada masa konfrantasi tu? mcm xda pun...
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by mumuchi Thu 07 Nov 2013, 3:39 pm
armored personnel carriers and anti-aircraft guns)
possible helicopter sales to Malaysia,
(a) Prime Minister's request to President that he moderate terms of credit for purchase of helicopters
however, GOM clearly does expect concession on terms for helicopter purchase, and I have recommended we give consideration to moderating those terms.)
possible helicopter sales to Malaysia,
(a) Prime Minister's request to President that he moderate terms of credit for purchase of helicopters
however, GOM clearly does expect concession on terms for helicopter purchase, and I have recommended we give consideration to moderating those terms.)
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by yaminz Thu 07 Nov 2013, 3:46 pm
yup tu yg US consider possible military aids... APC/Anti-aircraft/Helikopter... sy maksud yg da dbawa masuk k malaysia... physical asset..,.mumuchi wrote:armored personnel carriers and anti-aircraft guns)
possible helicopter sales to Malaysia,
(a) Prime Minister's request to President that he moderate terms of credit for purchase of helicopters
however, GOM clearly does expect concession on terms for helicopter purchase, and I have recommended we give consideration to moderating those terms.)
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by tin Fri 08 Nov 2013, 11:16 am
APC - V100
anti aircraft - tarak
helo - Bell 407 dgn Sikorsky S-61A4
anti aircraft - tarak
helo - Bell 407 dgn Sikorsky S-61A4
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by yaminz Fri 08 Nov 2013, 11:24 am
jap bell 407, first flight 1995 & introduced dlm 1996...tin wrote:APC - V100
anti aircraft - tarak
helo - Bell 407 dgn Sikorsky S-61A4
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by tin Fri 08 Nov 2013, 11:28 am
eh typo. should be Bell 47 heheheh...
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by marc_zman Fri 08 Nov 2013, 11:32 am
emmm.. wa ada kenal sorg 'pilot' Bell-47 nitin wrote:eh typo. should be Bell 47 heheheh...
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
by yaminz Fri 08 Nov 2013, 11:40 am
tu versi awam la abe tin, kita xda... nie versi military, Bell H-13 Sioux baru kita ada guna...tin wrote:eh typo. should be Bell 47 heheheh...
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Re: Konfrontasi Malaysia-Indonesia 1962-66
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